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BMWE46
October 17, 2009 08:18 PM
This is just an AD for lincoln.  A V6 with turbo can't even beat a stock V8 means the car is not a sucess because the lincoln weight less the the V8's.  The lincoln should be compare with BMW 335, Mercedez AMG and AUDI A4/A5, but they will embarrass the ecoboost lincoln.  This show makes me laugh tho. hahahaha =)
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jaredhoke
October 17, 2009 06:54 AM
of course this test is skewed and flawed and hype ... and I love it. I'm glad the domestic makers are finally getting back into the game. I even went to actually drive the new Taurus SHO and the MKS. For me, they're nice but too big and heavy. Now if Ford wants to drop that Bad Boy engine into an MKZ or Fusion, and give me AWD and a standard 5 or 6 speed .... NOW I'm really interested.
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Rx7chi
October 16, 2009 11:14 AM
Interesting test BUT and this is a big BUT where was the Cadillac CTS it's Lincolns number one competitor in this car class. I would love to see a test on a regular road course where the Lincoln does not have the advantage at altitude over non turbo engines. I think Lincoln needs some serious styling changes as well.
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Gimmick
October 16, 2009 07:06 AM
Sean: We started out having a decent discussion about the fact that this is an extremely biased 'test' but your latest posts show you in kind of a bigoted and biased position.  Take a deep breath, man.  It's not about bashing American cars vs. German ones.  It has EVERYTHING to do with insinuating that an aging platform with a new engine is as good or better than dedicated sport enthusiasts vehicles because it doesn’t have much of a handicap at high altitude.  How about a REAL test?  Three laps of Laguna Seca or the ‘Ring?
NissanMaster:  You’re a master mechanic and you don’t understand how turbos really work?  That’s scary.   At least I admitted that you had a point about the MB resale values.  Sorry to hear that you had such a bad run of luck with your new Mercedes CLK500.  I hope your new Ford Hybrid treats you better.
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gotboost
October 15, 2009 05:29 PM
I'm not suprised at these results at all.  It's simple math.  A normally aspirated engine loses about 3% of it's power per thousand feet of elevation.   At the base of the rise the elevation is what 8,000 feet or so, climbing to 11,000?  So the least decrease in power is about 24% for the non turbo cars.  Near the summit that increases to 33%.  How much does a MAP based turbo engine lose? Not much.  The turbo will continue to push in as much air as it takes to meet it's target pressure, it just has to work a little harder.  At that altitude, I think the BMW 535  with only 300 HP might just fair a little better than the 550 did.  I say we make this fair and we bring them all to the Green Hell and let Sabine "Ring" them out and see who wins.  That's how these things are supposed to be settled, not on my escape road from Arapahoe Basin.
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